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May 31 10 2:16 PM
You have not posted any reply to my posts on the other forum. And u have not answered my earlier question that I have aked twice… why you are scared to answer questions regarding your article over here (where it makes more sense) and instead keen to do so at the other forum, out of the view of past and future readers of your articles. I can only guess you do not want the regular or future readers to find out that your arguments have been shown to be wrong?
As usual I have ignored all the self praise and the inflammatory language by you.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann
May 31 10 2:17 PM
I am a busy person; I don’t have to worry about title tattle. Nor I have to worry about people who do not have courage to come to the forum when invited to have the debate on any major topic from the writings of Mirza.
You have neither clarified anything nor you have tried to defend Mirza; gather some courage, I am ready and willing whenever or whoever has the courage amongst you. You guys are extremely cowardly people. I have known it for years now.
Last time, come to the forum, state there you are ready to have a debate with me, and we will find out if I can answer your questions or not, or if you can defend the lies of Mirza or not. I suggest your read my articles with open eyes and think, before committing hare karri.
May 31 10 2:18 PM
As usual I will ignore the self praise, the inflammatory language and the incomprehensible stuff.
You keep on calling other cowards but yourself appear to be scared to answer questions on this forum. I have posed a number of very releant questions specifc to this article to have an honest discussion with you. But you have not answered a single one and in response have resorted to name calling. Even on the other fourm no questions have been answered by you. So on one hand you make accusations and throw challenges, and when asked questions you start to evade. Ok so if you are scared to answer any questions here then atleast post the answers on the other forum, and have the courage to to maintian an easily visible link to that forum from this page. I will keep checking the other forum for a few days to see if you have the courage to answer the questions. After that I will stop as I too am a busy person.
May 31 10 2:19 PM
Qadiani especially Lahoris on this thread trying their best to some how clear Mirza from the charge he did claim Prophet Hood. Despite their best efforts none of them have really addressed the issue of Mirza claiming he has been given knowledge of the Unseen like other Prophets according to the verses in Al-Jin.
One follower has re produced the quotes from my article, but failed to address the issue of Mirza stressing that knowledge of the unseen is disclosed to the Prophets according to the verses.
One of them asserted that here by word Prophets meant all the Mujaddids or Mamoors they are given the knowledge of the unseen, according to Mirza.
1- None of them have the courage to debate the issue of Mujaddids with me on the forum. This assertion to save Mirza can only put his followers’ even in deeper troubles, if they ever find courage to defend him in a debate.2- How ironic that they keep forgetting Mirza specifically mentioned these verses to equate himself with the Prophets, to claim Prophet Hood.3- Evidence already produced that he was wrong to assert that Prophets were given knowledge of the Unseen.4- This stupid idea of Lahori that Mirza was the Mujaddid and reviver of Islam is already exposed even by his false assertions on the verses from Surah Al-Jin. How they can claim he was a reviver if he can not understand the meanings of Holy Quran? His followers do not understand my articles are two edge swords, whichever way they turn my articles will cut through their arguments.5- Mirza’s heresies are not limited to the issues dealt in this article. He lied constantly. I have systematically destroyed his arguments and each and every basis of his followers’ concoctions. The only thing left is for me to write on the issue of death or ascension of Isa As. Articles on these issues are in the pipeline.
My subsequent articles have exposed Mirza on the following points. Lahoris who in their feeble minds thinking by producing non-sense they are scoring some points, they should be well aware the issues they have to deal with are as follows;
A- Mirza’s credibility as “Sadiq”. One follower tries to imply that Mirza was quoting Sikhs when he wrote grand lies for the bravery of his father. All we have are the incredible lies of Mirza without him quoting any Sikh Source. I have given this challenge to all the Qadianis to produce authenticated proofs from the Sikh’s resources to back up incredible lies of Mirza, but none is forth coming.B- I have consistently produced evidence of how Mirza learned languages from his followers and from the books supplied by his followers. This grand liar then produced alleged ilhams in these languages, ilhams which are full of errors. I did not adopt the practice to point to grammatical errors in his so called ilhams. Instead I showed how he learns the languages.C- To catch his lies, I produced the evidence in my article that according to Mirza’s own admission, he did change the words of the alleged revelations but his Jugular veins were not cut by Allah SWT. I) His claims were false that the test applied to him. II) Admission in his own words that Allah SWT does not cut Jugular veins of every body but only the Prophets and his concoctions about the Mamoors. III) Despite proofs he failed the test he devised and also evidence of consistent lies, he never been harmed by Allah SWT, proving according to his own admission and according to test devised by him that he was neither a Prophet nor he could be a Mamoor according to the Lahoris. He failed his own test. He sits comfortably with numerous false claimants of Prophet Hood; who lived long lives. Word of advice, read my article properly, no chance of his followers to twist it to “Mamoors”; this point is also covered in my article.D- Mirza also claimed that he was taught Arabic Roots words by Allah SWT. A grand lie once again from the Grand liar of Qadian. I have systematically destroyed this claim of Mirza too in my articles, in very subtle ways by exposing how he learned the languages.E- His numerous lies against Holy Quran, the Word of Allah SWT are exposed in my articles. For example Mirza wrote incredible lie that Prophet Muhammad SAW was allowed to call his followers as “Abadi” in the Holy Quran (nauzobillah). Mirza was trying to cover his shirk and to justify him being called “the Son” of God in his alleged revelations. I didn’t have to worry going great length to prove his shirk, by exposing his blatant lies I have exposed his shirk in subtle way with the proof that he attributed the lies to the Holy Quran to save himself.F- Mirza’s lies against Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran are exposed showing repeatedly to show what length this grand liar of Qadian has gone in his efforts to belittle a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT. The Problem his followers face is that by him not believing in a single Prophet of Allah SWT mentioned by name in the Holy Quran. Mirza without shadow of a doubt became a Kaffir and non-believer. Therefore, without going in to the semantics I have proven that Mirza was a Kaffir and not a Muslim at all. The onus is on his followers to prove that Mirza didn’t write these lies against Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran to prove first and foremost that Mirza was a Muslim.G- Mirza at various places has written that even Prophet SAW did not understand the verses of the Holy Quran. I have provided proofs after proofs of lies of Mirza against the Holy Quran. Once again I have subtly not only proven him a liar, but proven that he did not understand the Holy Quran and also that he deliberately lied against the Holy Quran.H- How this liar who lied against the Holy Quran, who lied about the evidence in the Holy Quran for a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT can reform Islam according to the Lahoris? This is the question Lahoris have to answer.
In a nutshell the tasks facing his followers specially the Lahoris who are busy on this particular article are1- Prove Mirza didn’t claim Prophet Hood by quoting verses from Surah Al-Jin.2- Prove that he can be a Muslim after writing lies against Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran. Believing on all the Prophets of Allah SWT is one of the main tenants of Islam.3- Prove that how he can reform Islam if he himself lied consistently against the Holy Quran?4- How a liar can be selected by All Knowing Allah SWT to reform Islam? Or for any other task at all?5- Prove that Mirza passed the test he himself said applied to him according to the Verses in the Holy Quran? He is proven a liar in his own words. His thinking was displayed in his own words to show that he knew very well indeed he or any other Kazzab is not the addressee of the verse in the Holy Quran “cutting the Jugular veins”. In fact no one was addressee of these verses except Prophet SAW.6- Prove his lies that he was taught Arabic by Allah SWT, when we have the evidence of how he learned languages, how he plagiaries work of others. His alleged ilhams have mistakes which were corrected by his own followers.
In a nutshell, Mirza is well and truly busted from each and every angle this is my challenge to any Qadiani to debate with me any major topic from the writings of Mirza including his claims on the death of Isa As from the Holy Quran.
I have given this challenge to two of the stalwarts of Qadianis from both sects.Zahid Aziz from Lahoris and Ansar Raza from Rabwah Qadianis; both of them have ducked the opportunity to debate the very issue Mirza and subsequently his followers claim was reveled to Mirza.
How it is that even the so called scholars of this cult are incapable to debate with an ordinary Muslim the very issue which is heart of their beliefs system according to the writings of Mirza?
May 31 10 2:20 PM
I have a track record which proves that I never duck anything. I have just posted a general response to most of what you and your cultists have written. None of you have raised any significant points to date.
I am posting your responses, a proof in itself that I am neither worried nor incapable to answer your twaddle. When something is worth answering I will respond. Your clever tactics to show that the verses are for Mamoor too is a hog wash in the first place. Secondly, it is not supported from the writings of Mirza. Read the other paragraphs produced in the article, with open eyes and mind. Thirdly, you are opening a mine field for yourself, a Pandora box you can not close once it is opened. I dare you to try this approach with me on the forum.
Like I said before, read the writings of Mirza the comments you are writing about me, befits him very well indeed.
Ask people like Zahid, they are best suited to play their own trumpet. Better still, read the books of Mirza. I am on the other hand just an ordinary Muslim and proud to be one.
In your remarks, there is nothing specific to answer. It is not my fault or problem if you keep going round in a circle. My articles are very precise, read them properly. The tasks facing you and your cultists are summarized in my recent comment. If you find courage, you are more than welcome on the forum. This is more than what your cult can offer us Muslims.
Your cultists are scared to be exposed they don’t allow free thoughts and expression of those thoughts. Says it all about your “true Islam”. You are laughable people. Next time instead of checking if I have posted something on the thread, be little brave and write how you plan to defend Mirza. Something you keep avoiding or probably you don’t have any clues like your entire cult. Not one single knowledgeable and brave soldier in the cupboard of Mirza Kazzab? Not even one taker of the challenge on the issue of death or ascension of Isa As? Mirza based all his lies on this claim but strangely not one of his followers has the courage to defend their master. What a joke.
One one hand you keep on challenging people to have a debate; and yet refuse to actually begin a dsicussion on a specific topic. You picked Surha Jin as starting point. I summarised your arguments on that topic to make sure I am understanding you correctly and asked you to correct me if I am wrong. Instead of answering my question you resorted to the usual name calling and grandiose self-praise.
It is very easy to throw out a large number of false allegations and then hide behind them; refusing to come to a starting point as only issue can be dicussed at a time. If you have the courage begin by letting me know if my understanding of your allegation on HMGA regarding Surah Jin is correct or..correct me if I am wrong. Then we can begin. Do not try to cloud the matter by bringing your other allegations as we can only dicuss one issue at a time. when we are done with Surah Jin we can talk about the other false allegations you have put up also. Now lets see if you have the courage to begin the discussion on Surah Jin…or will you as usual try to evade?
p.s. Its time to let go of your obsession with Zahid Aziz.
May 31 10 2:21 PM
“One one hand you keep on challenging people to have a debate; and yet refuse to actually begin a dsicussion on a specific topic.”
You have been told time and again, if you want to debate door is open for you, come to the forum. Why are you so scared to face me?I tell you why, you know you can not absolve Mirza.
“It is very easy to throw out a large number of false allegations and then hide behind them; refusing to come to a starting point as only issue can be dicussed at a time.”
Once again door is open for a debate for you or any Qadiani around the world to prove that the allegations are false. Foolishly pronouncing they are false is useless the evidence is there in black and white, in Mirza’s own words. Who are you trying to fool? You can never ever defend him, no matter what, you are just pussy footing around the problems.
“p.s. Its time to let go of your obsession with Zahid Aziz.”
Are you kidding me? I am not bothered about him, all I am interested is to bust your Anjuman and its deliberate lies that Mirza didn’t claim prophet hood.
No more messages would be displayed from you, you are wasting my time, gather some courage and come to the forum. I will see how you are going to absolve Mirza and prove that allegations against him are false. You are acting exactly like Zahid, in very cowardly manner. If you have any sense you should have realise by now that you are getting exposed. This is as foolish as it gets, come to the forum, if you have an ounce of courage. Mirza really was a sad loser, not one follower of his got the courage to own him. Says it all for your “true Islam”.
May 31 10 2:22 PM
Our discussion on the thread you opened is not progressing as my posts are being approved. Whats going on?
May 31 10 2:23 PM
Sorry the my last post should read as “my posts are NOT being approved.
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